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By Gary McNair - bio|email

As much as I love my own children, I'll admit, in spite of my expert parenting skills, they weren't always angels.   There were occasions where their behavior negatively affected others around us. 

No child is perfect, and last week a restaurant owner by the name of Brenda Armes became the standard bearer for standing up to unruly children.  She took a strong position with the sign on her wall, "Screaming Children Will Not Be Tolerated."

We did a news story on it, and our story got a lot of attention.  Nationally, Fox News, NBC, CNN were all talking about the sign at the Olde Salty Restaurant in Carolina Beach.

All of a sudden it appeared Brenda Armes was like the Jet Blue flight attendant – standing up for those who can't take disruptive behavior any more.   

A poll on our website shows Armes has 88% approval from the public for her position.  Maybe she should be running for office.  You know, it's her restaurant.  She should be able to do what she wants.

But there is something else to think about.  Why is a story like this resonating with so many people?  Where did our tolerance go?  What happened to the days we said kids are just being kids? 

Why have we become such an intolerant society?  Now that's something to scream about.

That's My Turn.  Now it's Your Turn.  To comment on this segment, or anything else, email me at yourturn@wect.com.


Emailed responses from viewers:

You asked on your segment why have we become intolerant?

  • I see that rewarding bad behavior has made me intolerant.
  • I see bankers going bankrupt and keeping their nice houses and fine clothes
  • I see realtors abandoning their lower value investment properties while continuing to advise.
  • I see lawyers spending with abandon, while they owe the schools lunch money.
  • I see actors hitting their wives and getting contracts for millions of dollars.
  • I see convicted felons in government.

The reward is that they are not called out most of the time, they are still in good standing in their neighborhoods, churches, and communities.  The folks who know  are afraid to speak, because the public is so enamored with these successful people, they will ostracize the messenger.

The lady at the restaurant who doesn't tolerate bad behavior is brave enough to be ostracized, as is the Jet Blue dude.

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Yes, I sure would like to comment.  My 98 year aunt and I were eating at the Cracker Barrel about three weeks ago.  There were several children and two adults at a table.  One of the children screamed just about the whole time we were there.  At one point the mother did take the child and walked around, then brought the child back in still screaming.  I talked to an employee at the register and another one who worked the store.  They both told me that these people were there every week.  Our server said that we could move but I am sure wherever we moved we could still hear the child.  The first thing my aunt said and I agreed we would not come back there for lunch.  I agree with the restaurant owner at Carolina Beach.  I don't think our tolerance has changed, more so parents do not discipline in this generation. My children are 31 and 28 and they have turned out very well the way I disciplined them which I did mostly by myself.  I do not go out to eat very often and I sure do not want to listen to screaming kids. Thank you for letting me speak my mind.  I was glad I was home so that I heard your comments.

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I have worked for one of the best restaurant owners in the south, and when my child was born I made a commitment to my child, that I would raise him with good manners in restaurants. By doing so, he has NEVER, EVER thrown a fit to attract attention to be "not tolerated". It is not a matter of tolerance. Its a matter of parenting. Give me a break. Give us all a break. Seriously, are we going to say that it's the child that we have to be tolerant of, or the parent? I agree that kids should be allowed to be kids..... but manners should be instilled in children at birth. Parents take there children out of church service when their babies start crying.... and they should do the like at any place where others are gathered and could be a nuisance. 

 The problem today is that there is too much tolerance when it comes to children. All because we have established a whole "hands off" approach and too much of a "positive reinforcement" behavior approach to child rearing. Spare the rod spoil the child..... what ever happened to discipline? 

And if I were your mother, I'd wash your mouth out with soap for even chastising this woman for asserting her right as a private business owner to prohibit ill behaving children in her establishment. I applaud her!

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This has nothing to do about tolerance!!!  Parents raise children.  Children are children.  If you are in a place that disrupts others, then you take your children out of that situation, for their sake and that of others.  Being a considerate parent also teaches your child.  Many parents do not want to teach their children.  This can go on and on. 

I raised 3 children and if my children were not behaving in a restaurant the way that I felt was appropriate for the situation, I removed them and me.  I am enjoying my daughter and son-in-law raise their two children and guess what????  We have been taking them to Ole Saltey's for 8 years and never once had to leave with them for misbehavior.  (They are now 6 and 9), in fact my grandson wanted to go to Ole Saltey's for his 4 year old birthday dinner.  Hmmmmm!!!

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I commend the owner of the restaurant for her decision not to tolerate screeming/whinning children.  I agree that even the most behaved child will occasionally act up.  We did not go out to eat with my children very often when they were little, but when we did they were expected to behave.  My son's youngest daughter acted up when all of us went to Denny's for breakfast some years ago and his brother took her outside until she quieted down.  It did turn out that she was sick and running a fever.  Meal time should be a quiet, peaceful time.  It's a known fact that it's better for our digestive system if we eat in a peaceful, calm atmosphere.

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Yes, tolerance when children are in situations where they are afraid (airplanes), tired and hungry (shopping with Mom in a grocery store), etc.  We are all sympathetic to parents who are in these situations with their children.  But, restuarants, movies and other public places should have standards of behavior for all.  If you allow your children to have tamtrums, run aound in these public places, permit them to ignore the rules (don't walk on the grass, do not stand on ledges, etc. then we need to ask you to remove your children until you can better equip them with the ability and willingness to follow the rules.
 
My dad would always say "Take care of your children, or I will", and was never shy about asking a child to behave. 
 
There is no reason to tolerate inappropriate behavior.  I know, I just went to a wonderful wedding, where I never got to hear the vows because a child behind me was talking out loud and his mother was consistently asking him to stop.  This went on for the entire ceremony.  The mother should have sacrificed her presence at the wedding for the benefit of others, and taken the misbehaving child outside.

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You mentioned last night on your segment, "since when did our society become so intolerant?"  I would like to ask, "since when did our society stop disciplining their children?"

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What ever happened to parents rearing their children to respect the enviroment around them. My parents made sure that I was well behaved in public or I was removed from the public place that I was in and it was impressed upon me that my bad conduct would not be tolerated by them. This was the standard of the time for virutally all parents where I grew up. It would seem that you feel that any behavior by children should be tolerated. This attitude as shown by you and others might have something to do with the continued decline in our public school systems.

What ever happened to a business owner who has invested their money in a business in hopes of making a living being able to operate that business in an efficient business manner to to make enough profit to stay in business. But then again you voiced your opinion the the BP oil spill was a unfortunate tragic accident, yeah right. I am sure BP would appreciate your explaining that the the families of the 11 dead employees.

Somehow I don't think they will show much tolerance for your opinion.

Oh well, enough said.

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There once was a time that parents would not tolerate their kids screaming/misbehaving in public - it's not that society is intolerant.   Parents sit by and ignore the problems and let their kids run loose and scream these days.  Why should society tolerate that - especially if we raised our own kids to be respectful of others in public places???  When my daughter was small, I could take her any place and she played quietly.  When she was too small to be taught that, I had a babysitter for her when we wanted to go out.  It is extremely rude of parents to expect society to just accept their kids' bad behavior, not to mention that it's also ridiculously arrogant of them.  It is not a matter of intolerance on society's part - it's a matter of good teachings on the part of the parents, and sadly, they are failing miserably.  I didn't force others to accept a misbehaving child, and would greatly appreciate the same effort from today's parents.

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I don't believe it is intolerance - I believe it is a sign of poor parenting.  When I was being raised here - IF you got to go with your parents to a restaurant you were expected to sit in your chair, be quite and eat your meal.  You were told ONCE to do this and if you didn't comply you were escorted to the restroom and you would return about 10 minutes later with red eyes and a sore behind.  Children are now allowed to freely roam a restaurant, bother other patrons and scream if they don't get their way - it makes you wonder who is in charge the child or the parent.

I say if you want to allow you children to act like this then you need to visit establishments where it doesn't matter like Chucky Cheese or the play ground at McDonalds.  I say hurray to this woman - there should be a whole lot more folks like her.

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I do not agree with your comment about 'tolerance' when it comes to screaming children in a restaurant.  When folks go out to eat most of us get dressed properly and look forward to a nice meal.   Having screaming children sitting near your table is just not acceptable and I, for one, would end up with a case of indigestion.   I don't consider sitting there and being tolerant and I agree with the owner of the restaurant.  

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When did we as a society become less tolerant? I believe it may appear that we are simply because so many people are rude and don't use common sense. I am only in my 30's but in my childhood days most of the time a screaming child's parents would take the child outside to walk around. After all kids will be kids. However, I believe more parents also expected their child to sit at the dinner table and taught them how to behave at the dinner table and in public.

 I'm not just talking about children who won't sit at the table, I adore children and have my own. It is the parents' responsibility to understand the child's limits and take them for a stroll so as not to disturb everyone. It is also the parents' job to be a parent, not a friend and teach those children what is expected when they are out for dinner.It isn't that we have become less tolerant as a society, it's that we are constantly expected to tolerate every kind of behavior thrown at us from both children and adults.  I'm talking about people who cut you off in traffic because it's a way of life for them, or people who say rude things just to get attention and we are expected to just let it go instead of calling them out for being rude.  Where are those old ladies who would tell it like it is and say "shame on you"? We need those people back.  I think people  are just tired of tolerating everything. Why? Because respect , common sense and citizenship aren't taught in the home anymore. It is all about me, me me.  And that, is very very sad.

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We have not become a more intolerant society,  we have become a society afraid and incapable of disciplining children. 

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what a bunch of whiners. and you wonder where the children get it from. you people with all this screamer experience, sounds like you go out to eat too much. evidently you don't get the family friendly carolina beach thing. maybe you should go to myrtle beach. the sign is nowhere near courteous and thats all a screaming childs parent wants to hear, is someone telling them what to do in who knows what specific situation. I may not hit my child but if some old redneck bar owner/ waitress ...  putting your nose where it don't belong. maybe you should't be in business, dealing with the public. i can just imagine trying to satisfy her. i guess we should bow down to her . how low can you go 

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I'm sorry but you are way off.  I don't believe that people's level of tolerance is down; I believe it is several other factors that have created the situations you mentioned.  First, people didn't used to be afraid to punish their children in public.  If their child misbehaved, they were spanked and learned quickly how NOT to behave in public situations.  Now social services would be called and the child would recognize their ability to control any situation.  Hence, more children misbehave in public than before.  Secondly and sadly, I believe the customer has become ruder.  Why isn't anyone commenting on the rude behavior of parents that allow children to scream in public and not taking them outside until they quit?  Or the offensive behavior and remarks of the passenger on the airplane?  Why isn't it considered an endangerment to the other passengers when one refuses to follow the directions of the steward?  Just saying...........

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I agree with the restaurant owner. Nobody wants to hear a screaming child while having dinner after a long dayof work, at Home or at a Restaurant.  When I was growing up, if I were to scream out in a public place, I would have been taken to the Restroom and had my tail torn-up. The way  I was raised "Children are to be seen and not heard" and "not to speak until spoken too". Corpral Punishment is not a bad thing, beating a child is. Children now a days have no respect for Parents or any other Adult.

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I don't think I'm less tolerant of children than I have been in the past.  What I am intolerant of now are the parents of the children.  Children are going to be children, you are right but there is a place for them to scream and play and mess and it isn't in a nice restaurant while people are trying to have a nice quiet dinner.  All I hear from parents these days is "I can't make them", "They won't", and "if I don't let them, they will have a fit". I hear this from a man 6 feet tall telling me about his 2 foot tall son or daughter.  If it wasn't so tragic, it would be funny.  Parents come into a nice place with their children and it's obvious Who is in charge, and it isn't the parents. So they turn them loose and don't see what they are doing most of the time and if they eventually do try to make them sit down and be quiet and stop bothering the other patrons, the children have a screaming fit. If they can't make them civilized at home, they won't be civilized in public.  Why is it so hard? Most of these parents were well behaved children so why can't they make their own behave?

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Concerning the business owner that has placed the "no screaming children" sign:  I disagree that we have besome more intolerant. I think that we, as the public, seem more intolerant of screaming children in public places because of the over-tolerance by the parents. I think this issue has more to do with bad parenting than with society developing an intolerence for bad behavior. When I was a child my mother or father would have snatched me up and taken me to the bathroom or the car to settle down if I was acting out in public, and I would have been taken home if I couldn't control my outbursts. It seems to me that most people are tolerent of "children just being children" but less tolerant of parents being irresponsible and rude to other patrons by allowing a disruptive child to ruin an outing.

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You know I have said this before alot of times I agree with you. Today I think you took the easy way out. My guess when you took your children out to dinner you did not tolerate bad behavior. Manners are a simple thing to teach children.

When I grew up 50's, 60's children were taught to behave in public. It was just proper manners and showed respect for others. If I dared go in a restaurant and show myself I would get the look and then I would have been a recepient of a paddling or grounding when I got home. My parents rarely took us out to dinner, they couldn't afford  eating out that often. When we did we knew we were to behave. For you to say "tolerance" tells me you opted out of a confrontation on this subject. If you went to "Ruth's Chris" and paid the price you would pay for a dinner there and heard a screaming child what would you do then? You would feel "at this price I deserve to be able to enjoy my meal, relax and not have to listen to this". Why should it be any different for those of us who can afford to go out to eat once a month. We scrimp and save in this economy to enjoy a peaceful, reasonably priced dinner out and then boom screaming crying I want my way children.

If the child gets taken outside talked to and learns there are boundaries you don't cross our country may just return to a nation that respects others, and maybe just maybe many of the other values we have lost will return!

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you got it all wrong bud, it's not intolerance at all, IT'S SCREAMING UNRULY CHILDREN this woman is talking about i am sure. With parents that could care less. Maybe you should get out more often.

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First let me say that I have 4 children. My oldest child is 30 and my youngest is 16 so I have some experience .  I don't think we have become intolerant, I think we've become inconsiderate and have lost our manners.  It's happening everywhere, in church, movie theatres, libraries, restaurants.  We did not allow our children to disrupt others to the best of our ability and if we couldn't calm them quickly we removed them from the area.  That's all the owner of The Salty Dog is asking---manners people.  

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This is in response to your opinion on the screaming children, I am sure you can remember the days of children should be seen and not heard, this adage was in use when I was a child. My parents taught me manners, the days of teaching manners seems to have gone by the wayside. When is it not a good idea to have good manners? In this day and age, where rudeness abounds, it is nice to see someone stand up to those who weren't taught better manners by their parents. It is this type of behavior that turns into the guy who cuts you off on the interstate, and the woman who slides into that parking space you waited so patiently for.

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You ask why are we so intolerable anymore?  I say what happened to consideration of others?  When my son was younger and if he would scream, cry or act up, I would immediately take him outside until he calmed down or straightened out.  It's called being considerate of others....if people wanted to hear out of hand kids screaming, crying and acting like little rug rats running around, etc we would go to a place like Chuck E. Cheese or some other place for small kids.

The other question that should be asked is this....what happened to parents controlling their kids and having them act properly in a public place? 

I back this woman all the way!!!!!

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I just want to say ....YAY to her!!! I cannot stand to go to a rest and have misbehaving screaming children ruin my meal. The reason we have no tolerance anymore is.....because people do not have sense and respect enough to make their children behave in public. I am 37 and at some point shortly after my generation....parents quit teaching respect for others. Or they just don't want to take time and hassle to teach it. So again......thank you to this lady for speaking for me!!!!!!!!

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When I was raising my children it was just common courtesy to take crying babies out until they calmed down.  As far as toddlers, they knew they better behave in a public place or else.

I bet those parents who are complaining if they really thought about it they would like to eat in peace and quite also.

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This whole issue revolves around disruptive children that have lack of decent parenting. To your point, sure all children have their times, but nowadays most parents have others to bring their children up, so the children don't really learn from the parents. People pay good money to go out and enjoy a meal together, those that can still afford it. It simply is unreasonable to call people "intolerant" of screaming, out of control children. A person should be able to enjoy their meal in peace and quiet, without being upset because out of control brats and the parents that fail to stop them. I try my very best to be courteous and considerate of others that are in my presence. I open doors for ladies and still refer to ladies as ma'am. I am courteous and helpful to the elderly and sympathetic to those with disabilities. I simply expect the same in return from others. Courtesy and consideration goes a very long way and brings out many smiles. Rudeness, lack of manners and lack of courtesy for others are direct indications of a poor upbringing and quickly get a response from others. When a parent allows their children to upset others during a comfortable meal, by screaming, yelling, running around and being disruptive, they are allowing their children to be intrusive on others and are ignoring common courtesy for others as a minimum.

While I do believe there is more intolerance in many areas of today's fast-paced society, it simply doesn't apply to this case. People always have and always will want to enjoy dining without being upset with rude and out of control children...or their parents for that matter.

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I agree with her 100%. Once while out at a Chinese buffet restaurant, there were two small children, maybe 5 & 6 years old, running through the place. Yelling, running around the food, and one even had his spoon with him, which he promptly lunged into the sesame chicken! I had to go tell the waitress what happened so they could bring out (hopefully) a new tray of chicken. Where were the parents??? Sitting down and enjoying their meal while everyone else suffered.

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I think the reason why this resonates with so many people is because so many people seem to be so un-empathetic to their surroundings these days. For me and my husband our only child is grown, when he was younger we taught him very good manors he was always well behaved and if for some reason he had an off night I was out the door with him until my husband could settle things and leave with us so that others could enjoy their experience.

Through the almost 30 years that my husband and I  have been together we have only been afforded the ability to go out for a nice dinner 2 to 4 times a year. For our birthday which we share, anniversary and 1 or 2 other times for a special occasion. We both work full time and I can't tell you how many times our dinner that we so looked forward to was ruined by screaming or unruly children. Kids that are allowed to roam and scream, climb over the booth and bang against your head and pester us while we are trying to eat or catch up. Most of the time our own child was at home with a sitter. On these rare occasions that we were able to get out it was painfully clear that these parents allowing thier children to be unruly neither took into consideration other peoples lives and experiences nor does it occur to them that the whole world does not revolve around their cute little kids or maybe I have always thought they are just lazy. In addition these restaurants we would go to were not really even family type restaurants so we would often end up moving to the bar area less romantic however much more quiet not my preference and sometimes even then - there were kids (?). Why weren't we able to enjoy the ambiance and relaxed seating after a hard days work of the dining room when those little kids could run around like romper room? There are places for that too and no one says they can't go there. I can assure that if we went to the parks, or indoor play zones and expected everyone to be quiet there - people would think we were crazy. It seems such a double standard.

It is just rude to go to a place where others are also trying to enjoy their meals and maybe catch up on some much needed to time together and let your kids roam and scream freely. I love kids too but I also love a break! Those 4 days a year we have together... Really it's not all about your kids... Think about your neighbors...Is that possible?

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No one wants their meal disturbed by unruly children or screaming children that parents will not take outside to settle down. But this restaurant owner went over the line with the sign. While the restaurant has the right to ask anyone, children or adult, to abide by proper rules, posting a sign implies the owner does not want children in her restaurant at all. If so, then maybe she should post a sign that says Adults Only!

It is sad that so many have become so intolerant of children in today's society, forgetting that they themselves were once not perfect children. Personally, I will not eat at this restaurant, and I do not have any young children. After all, she has a beach spot, not some upscale 5 star location.

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I totally back this owner's position and decision.

As to your question....I don't think it is that we have become an intolerant society, I think people are finally tired of what society has become.  When I was small, my parents could take me out to eat and to church and not worry with me becoming unruly because I knew I'd get my butt spanked if I did.  I can remember a few times when my brother would become unruly in Church and my mother taking him outside and spanking him and then bringing him back in.  Do you think that he made another peep afterwards?  

We as a society have lost the respect and responsibility that we once had.  Most of our morals, ethics, and better judgement have gone down the drain.  Our kids no longer respect Law Enforcement personnel...nor their parents...or teachers, or any adults for that matter.  I can remember as a child growing up...my neighbors had permission to spank me if they saw me out of line or doing something that I was not supposed to be doing.  I would think about doing something before actually "doing" it.  I would think...if I do this, and get caught...what are the consequences?  I knew if I got into trouble at school...it would be doubly bad when I arrived home.  Children today do not "think" about the consequences of their actions anymore.  Kids don't care about what happens afterwards, (because they know nothing will)...just so they are having fun at the time.

I know that when I go to a nice "sit down" restaurant with friends or family, I don't want to have to yell over a screaming child to whomever I'm with.  I want to enjoy a nice leisurely conversation and relax while eating.  There are fast food restaurants with playgrounds in them called...McDonalds.  I for one think that if you cannot control your child...then take them to McDonalds where there is a place for being unruly.  People know how their children are going to act before they leave home.  If a child acts up in a restaurant, more than likely this is NOT the first time...so why bring them back?  

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You have it wrong.. its not intolerance…its being done., Kids are not kids like they used to be. I knew better as a kid to be "bad" in a restaurant or public place, cause I would be punished when I get home., Parents now a days are afraid to say no and stick to their guns on it. This causes the kids to walk all over the parents and be disruptive in public and school., I think this restaurant owner deserves a pat on the back and a shake of the hand. Your comment "kids being kids" is NOT how I or others were raised. We are being to PC in society and its time to stop. It's the media that is to blame..TV shows that have gone WAY to far..cartoons the same., The Jet Blue guy deserves the same.. I have seen people talk to who they think are their "servants" Do unto others.. that my motto. I feel bad he's facing criminal charges, but undoing an emergency door ect…a bit over the top…

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What happened to the days of children being disciplined, or actually knowing how to behave in public?  I can remember as a child sitting on  my grandmothers living room floor and knowing not to touch a thing.  I can also remember sitting in church and knowing I was supposed to keep my mouth shut. 

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My family and i have been viewing comments about the screaming children. Where is the family friendly Carolina Beach, that the chamber of commerce promotes? If we discipline our children the way our parents saw fit, we would be arrested for child abuse or investigated by DSS . Maybe thats why we have screaming children. spare the rod , spoil the child.

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Your survey ask "Should a Carolina Beach restaurant be allowed to ask "screaming children" to step outside until they calm down?", which I thought was a fair enough question….. until I noticed the word "allowed". Now that implies that if you vote no on your survey… the alternative would be to pass a law forbidding restaurants to take such action. I don't know about you , but I think government is already too deep into my business. I don't think we need another layer of government "protection" to our daily lives. If a business owner thinks someone needs to leave their business, (temporarily or permanently) that should be their prerogative, not the governments.

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I live in Florida, about an hour north of Tampa. I often have lunch there. I read about Olde Salty on my Yahoo homepage. I think it's fantastic that screaming kids aren't allowed in the restaurant. I can't tell you how many times I've been at lunch and a family with a screaming brat sits next to me. I try hard to select the perfect secluded table, but it's no use. They show up and start their bawling. Please pass on this message to Brenda at the restaurant. Thank you.

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I am usually very tolerant of children. A couple of weeks ago we, along with some friends were eating at a local restaurant and trying to have a conversation. There was a child screaming when we first sat down in which we figured the parents would get a handle on it shortly.  He would stop for a few seconds and start again. One of the people that was with us raised up half way thru our meal and looked over the wall and said the people at the table were talking among themselves and ignoring the child. When we finally left..without having our usual  relaxing moments and maybe a cup of coffee, the child was still annoying everyone around.  Now we each had a dinner bill that night of around $30.00 in which we did not get to enjoy the meal or the company. We took our food in a box  home.  I do not understand parents that let there children do things like this.  My parents sure would not have tolerated it.

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Spanking is not abuse. Some parents are scared about all the hype that is said about spanking children; that if they spank their children, they will get in trouble for abuse. Children need boundaries. They need to learn how to behave in public, that it is not okay to run around and scream and not respect their parents. Sometimes kids are just being kids, but they need to learn that what they do at home is not the same as what they should be doing in public/outside of home. Kids need to learn about inside voices vs outside voices. Don't let your kids make a scene, that reflects on your parenting skills and you.

When did we become so intolerant? Since forever...take a look at history. Each generation is different.

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The difference today is that many parents do not take responsibility  for their children's behavior, nor do they effect any discipline upon these children when they do misbehave....That  means that the rest of us suffer from this lack of authority over one's own children.  I remember the time , not so long ago, that a  child wouldn't Dare to misbehave in public; they knew they would be "forcibly removed"  from the venue by their parents, and there would be punishment meted out once they arrived home.

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I don't think we have become intolerant of children.  I think that when we had small children we would have taken children out of the restaurant when they misbehaved.  We would not have tolerated screaming children in a restaurant either.  We would have been appalled when parents sat there and did nothing when a child disrupted other patrons dinners.  I don't think parents are doing their children any favor by letting them act up in public settings.  Instead of asking what has happened to the tolerance of customers, maybe be should be asking what has happened to the consideration of parents for others?

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I must respectfully disagree with you.  You ask where all the tolerance is… I ask where are the parents who teach their children the right way to act when they are in restaurants and other public places.  Children who sit and scream at the top of their lungs or who run around disturbing everyone around them are misbehaving and parents who ‘tolerate' such behavior are producing children who will not be welcome guests anywhere.

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What happened to teaching children  discipline and good manners?   They should be taught how to behave before going to restaurants and other public places.  If they  start disturbing others with bad behavior the parent should take them outside the restaurant and give them a refresher course in abiding by the rules.  If they persist then don't bring them next time.  They will do a lot of thinking about the delicious dessert bar they missed.  I don't subscribe to the current trend of letting your children act out.  SEE WHAT RESULTS YOU GET! !   I do believe Dr. Spock has been resurrected.   

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